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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 24, 2013 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black Crowes related

I think the Westboro loons should start picketing Phish shows.As for there being nothing Christian about them,I see them toeing the Christian line as far as gay people go.If you live a gay lifestyle you are in opposition to God's will and what particular horror that branch of the cult subscribes to is your fate.Maybe a Christian or gay person could be more factual.I can't say I'm well informed on either aspect of this issue.There are probably some Christian off shoot groups that are accepting of gay people.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 24, 2013 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black Crowes related

You might be surprised at how accepting some Christians can be of LBGT's.

http://tinyurl.com/a5pavbj

And please don't, in your wildest imaginings, equate me even marginally with the Westboro cult.

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Apr 24, 2013 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black Crowes related

Islam does not support homosexuality, and that religion is about as far removed from Christianity as you can be.

Basically, Christians are against same-sex marriages because the Bible clearly lists it as an abomination against God (keep in mind Christians regard the Bible as the inerrant word of God, not just some scribblings from some political/religious leader(s) from milleniums ago).

However, Jesus gave humans two basic commandments: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Jesus preached a message of love, and that message was to and for everyone. Nowhere did he say to hate sinners, regardless of what sin they commit. As the saying goes, God hates sin but loves the sinner, and we are to do the same.

So as much as the media loves to call it "hate" when someone publicly opposes gay marriage, that is absolutely ludicrous. It certainly doesn't help to have a bunch of people claiming to be Christians holding up signs proclaiming that God hates gays, because that is not what the Bible says and not what myself nor any of the Christians I know believe.

The reasons Christians don't support gay marriage is because that would basically be thumbing our nose at the creator of the universe and saying that He is wrong and our way is better.



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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 24, 2013 11:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black Crowes related

What's your stance on shellfish?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7FZ6E8HOo

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 25, 2013 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Not to mention.....

"They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

So yes, the Bible does list homosexuality as an abomination, and the most vocal Christian opponents to same sex marriage keep going to that passage, but I think they have conveniently forgotten Mark 12:30-31. After all, that part is written in red text so it carries a bit more weight than Leviticus 18:22 or 20:13.

Full disclosure, I'm a relatively new Catholic. I have enough to focus on as far as my own personal behavior to try and be a good and decent person and little time to worry about what others are doing "wrong" according to selective and narrowly applied Scripture.

FWIW, my confirmation patron Saint is of course, Saint Stephen. actually, I have two - the other is Saint George, because life has thrown several dragons at me.

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Apr 25, 2013 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Not to mention.....

You will notice at the end of the passage He told the woman to "sin no more." He was pointing out to the men that they were sinners just as she was. He was in no way condoning the woman's actions and telling her to continue in them.

So yes, whether you are heterosexul or homosexual, Christian, atheist, Jew, Buddhist, Muslim, or whatever, you are a sinner and in need of a savior.

And yes, you are absolutely right that we need to focus on our own personal walk with God and doing our best to do what pleases Him, and let others do the same at their own pace.

However, when you try to make something which goes against God's word into a recognized law, that's when we need to speak up and defend what the Bible says.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 25, 2013 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Not to mention.....

So, is the Bible the infallible word of God? Who selected the text/the gospels to include? When written? By whom and with what agenda? In what language? Any problems with subsequent translation?

If I take away the message of compassion for my fellow (wo)man, is that enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQX_5xOo1w

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 25, 2013 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Not to mention.....

That Violent Femmes video was hilarious.Biggest stretch to make a verse rhyme I have heard in quite a while.

I don't believe in General Motors
I don't believe in the President
or the League of Women Voters

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Apr 25, 2013 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Not to mention.....

All very good and fair questions, but ones that most likely require longer explanations than time currently allows.

The pastor of my church actually did a 6 part series on the Bible a while back which includes all the info you are asking about. If you are genuinely interested I could post a link for you, as I am pretty sure videos of the sermons are archived online.

As for your last question, unfortunately compassion alone does not cut it. Sin is very serious to God, to the degree that if you've told one small lie, or stolen anything (even a piece of gum), you are not fit to enter the kingdom of heaven, but are instead destined for hell. This is not because God is mean or unfair, it is because He is perfect and holy, and cannot be in the presence of sin, which we will carry with us when we pass from this life.

But what God did for you so you wouldn't have to go to hell and could instead spend eternity in His kingdom, is he sent his Son, who lived the only sinless life, to take the punishment for your sins. The punishment for sin is death, but Jesus took that punishment upon himself when he died on the cross.

To inherit eternal life, one must admit they are a sinner and in need of a savior, believe in their heart that Jesus was the Son of God and died on the cross so that their sins could be forgiven, and that he rose from the dead 3 days later to show all that believed in Him that they would have eternal life as well. That is the most important thing to take away from the Bible.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 25, 2013 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Not to mention.....

Believe it if you need it, if you don't just pass it on....

I don't think you can fully appreciate western art/history/literature/culture, etc. without having read and studied the texts. I used to teach comparative world religions to high school kids, and I find many good things to take away. I just sort of pick and choose what I like... and gave my daughter the middle name of samsara.

Thanks for the civil exchange, because I'm often an ass not deserving of the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c_Yg8azAi0

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2013-04-26 00:42:47

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Poster: Crazy Otto Date: Apr 26, 2013 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Not to mention.....

Good point, and I would think it might even help in appreciating the Dead's music as Hunter seemed to be often inspired by Biblical references when writing his own lyrics.

Oh, and we gave our daughter the middle name of Sugaree.

Happy Friday!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 26, 2013 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Not to mention.....

Oh yea, for sure. And Barlow and Weir made me go back and read things with Brother Esau (not to mention when I recently re-read Steinbeck's "East of Eden") Brother to brother, man to man.

Shake it!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 24, 2013 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Black Crowes related

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/04/foo-fighters-serenade-westboro-baptist-church-protestors-video/